Comments on: Is Art Lebedev working for Apple? ;) http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/ Laptop, Desktop PC and everything related. News, views and reviews Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:23:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Dave http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-269 Dave Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:07:30 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-269 Or it's just a case of Apple stealing a good idea. Or it’s just a case of Apple stealing a good idea.

]]> By: Well Duh http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-270 Well Duh Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:02:06 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-270 How about a simple case of "Apple taking somebody else's intellectual properties and making it their own, and then paying a bunch of high-paid lawyers to settle the mess later?" How about a simple case of “Apple taking somebody else’s intellectual properties and making it their own, and then paying a bunch of high-paid lawyers to settle the mess later?”

]]> By: Staska http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-271 Staska Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:11:02 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-271 Yep. That's really possible and maybe even true for Optimus Maximus. However it looks the other way around with Tactus. Apple got there first with their patent. Yep. That’s really possible and maybe even true for Optimus Maximus.

However it looks the other way around with Tactus. Apple got there first with their patent.

]]> By: Matt http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-272 Matt Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:06:34 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-272 Being that the Optimus Maximus can already be purchased/pre-ordered and units are already shipping, here are the possible outcomes: 1- Apple files an injunction to prevent any Maximus units being sold or shipped. 2- Nothing legal, and then we end up with 2 similar products competing fairly in this market. Obviously, having a larger production base in China, Apple can steamroll over the Maximus for Mac owners, but will not produce any units for PCs. 3- Apple decided Art Lebedev has the right idea, and licenses or otherwise outsources the capability to manufacture their devices, driving down manufacturing costs and hopefully bringing the retail price down out of the heavens. In this scenario, knowing Apple, the Keyboards won't work with PCs until somebody at one of the osx86 projects hacks the firmware, usually a week before release. Being that the Optimus Maximus can already be purchased/pre-ordered and units are already shipping, here are the possible outcomes:
1- Apple files an injunction to prevent any Maximus units being sold or shipped.
2- Nothing legal, and then we end up with 2 similar products competing fairly in this market. Obviously, having a larger production base in China, Apple can steamroll over the Maximus for Mac owners, but will not produce any units for PCs.
3- Apple decided Art Lebedev has the right idea, and licenses or otherwise outsources the capability to manufacture their devices, driving down manufacturing costs and hopefully bringing the retail price down out of the heavens. In this scenario, knowing Apple, the Keyboards won’t work with PCs until somebody at one of the osx86 projects hacks the firmware, usually a week before release.

]]> By: Staska http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-273 Staska Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:30:19 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-273 #1 is definitely not likely. Apple haven't got a patent, it's just a patent application, and Art Lebedev's Maximus Optimus keyboard concept was described about a year before Apple's patent application was filed. A clear case of prior art. And Lebedev has filed for the poatents of it's own. Probably through Russian PTO. Both #2 and #3are likely. #4 is that Lebedev sues Apple and later settles with them. #4 Lebedev and Apple exchange the IP rights - Apple gets Maximus, Lebedev makes Tactus #1 is definitely not likely. Apple haven’t got a patent, it’s just a patent application, and Art Lebedev’s Maximus Optimus keyboard concept was described about a year before Apple’s patent application was filed. A clear case of prior art.

And Lebedev has filed for the poatents of it’s own. Probably through Russian PTO.

Both #2 and #3are likely.

#4 is that Lebedev sues Apple and later settles with them.

#4 Lebedev and Apple exchange the IP rights - Apple gets Maximus, Lebedev makes Tactus

]]> By: Payne http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-274 Payne Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:33:43 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-274 First, patent applications are *NOT* patents! Just because they file, doesn't mean the USPTO will grant it. Also, if a patent is granted, it may not be for what was originally applied for -- the patent office may limit the claims based on prior art. Second, the US is a "first to invent" country, which means that priority goes to the first person to come up with the idea, not the first person to file. It's entirely OK for Apple to file for a patent after someone else as published the same idea, as long as Apple has clear documentation showing they invented it first. First, patent applications are *NOT* patents! Just because they file, doesn’t mean the USPTO will grant it. Also, if a patent is granted, it may not be for what was originally applied for — the patent office may limit the claims based on prior art.

Second, the US is a “first to invent” country, which means that priority goes to the first person to come up with the idea, not the first person to file. It’s entirely OK for Apple to file for a patent after someone else as published the same idea, as long as Apple has clear documentation showing they invented it first.

]]> By: Richard http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-275 Richard Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:16:40 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-275 Who is this mac loving writer anyways I think its clear to anyone who hasn't been living under a rock that the Optimus keyboard has been in development for quite some time, including the proper patents. Now the tactus keyboard will be different, but really who wants to type on a keyboard with no tactile response. If any of you have ever tried using one of those holographic keyboards that they use to sell with palm pilots then you know how much they suck Who is this mac loving writer anyways

I think its clear to anyone who hasn’t been living under a rock that the Optimus keyboard has been in development for quite some time, including the proper patents.

Now the tactus keyboard will be different, but really who wants to type on a keyboard with no tactile response. If any of you have ever tried using one of those holographic keyboards that they use to sell with palm pilots then you know how much they suck

]]> By: Saulius Pr http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-276 Saulius Pr Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:10:56 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-276 Sveikinu patekus i Digg'a :) Saulius Sveikinu patekus i Digg’a :)

Saulius

]]> By: El Maverick http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-281 El Maverick Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:04:15 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-281 Sorry,there's already a U.S. patent for the Display Keyboard granted in 1998. The invention is the same as Lebedev;s. The inventor is Elkin Acevedo and he's probably working behind the scenes somewhere. His patent is much, much older than Lebedev's or Apple's patents. I'm sure Apple is going to have some problems. Maverick Look at this link and conving yourselves. http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/29/optimus-keyboard-trumped-by-the-display-keyboard/ Sorry,there’s already a U.S. patent for the Display Keyboard granted in 1998. The invention is the same as Lebedev;s. The inventor is Elkin Acevedo and he’s probably working behind the scenes somewhere. His patent is much, much older than Lebedev’s or Apple’s patents. I’m sure Apple is going to have some problems.
Maverick

Look at this link and conving yourselves.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/29/optimus-keyboard-trumped-by-the-display-keyboard/

]]> By: Staska http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-282 Staska Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:18:25 +0000 http://pcjoint.com/is-art-lebedev-working-for-apple/#comment-282 Great find El, So, my guess is, that Apple will at least have an obvious case of prior art, if they decide to make one. I also guess, they can get the rights to make such a keyboard from Acevedo on a cheap (for Apple, and a great deal for Acevedo - a few mil US$) And there's nothing Art Lebedev will be able to do about it. Great find El,

So, my guess is, that Apple will at least have an obvious case of prior art, if they decide to make one.

I also guess, they can get the rights to make such a keyboard from Acevedo on a cheap (for Apple, and a great deal for Acevedo - a few mil US$)

And there’s nothing Art Lebedev will be able to do about it.

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